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GM Payback: Help me understand this? !!

Seeded on Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:19 PM EDT
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politics, obama, debt, gm, uaw, taxpayer
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So, GM gets a total of 52 Billion in US government Aid (sucked from the taxpayer) and they Consider 6.7 Billion pay back fully meeting their obligation? (8.1 billion paid back, 6.7 to US, 1.4 to Canada)

This smells like a stock scheme. Borrow 52 billion from the taxpayer, only ask for 8.1 billion back. They (GM) offers public stock later this year under the false belief that they are profitable. Take a portion of that money from the stock purchases by the public, and buy the government stock back?

So the taxpayer funded their bailout, and now we will repay the loan via stock purchases, GM never actually feeling the total bite of the 52 billion? That loan never coming out of their pockets, never facing the responsibility for their actions?

They cut nearly 70,000 Union jobs and reductions in the Pension, and moved more manufacturing over seas which had generated enough profits to pay this back. The truth is that GM is a taxpayer funded sinking ship, and not viable as it is currently structured. We are just funding the same behavior, the same failed business plans by being their crutch.

Quote From the AP (reported on MSNBC:

"DETROIT -- General Motors Co. has repaid the $8.1 billion in loans it got from the U.S. and Canadian governments, a move its CEO says is a sign automaker is on the road to recovery."

"GM got a total of $52 billion from the U.S. government and $9.5 billion from the Canadian and Ontario governments as it went through bankruptcy protection last year."

"But during bankruptcy, the U.S. government reduced the loan portion to $6.7 billion and converted the rest to company stock, while the Canadian governments held $1.4 billion in loans. "

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Rahlly

Apparently like any investor, the gov gets stock which the gov then sell when the gov chooses to, and since the gov has the SEC they should be able to sell it at a great price at a great time. Then the taxpayers supposedly will make a profit.

>dry
Isn't Capitalism great?!
/dry

    Reply#1 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:39 PM EDT
    Woodenboatguy

    I would not stretch and call that Capitalism. Sounds like a Madoff scam to me sponsered and approved by this administration and congress. You and I try this,.... jail time....

    This is where government bail outs lead, more fraud, more deceit, more of my money being wasted.

      Reply#2 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:45 PM EDT
      Woodenboatguy

      I believe the stock that the gov't owns is "prefferred stock". I may be wrong. Prefferred stock can only be bought back by the company. So money comes in from the stock market, GM transfers it from the right hand to the left hand and gives it to the government. So we are paying for the loan with the bailout, and are paying it back for GM via buying stock. Meanwhile, GM keeps the 44 billion.

      As I understand it.

        #2.1 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:51 PM EDT
        Rahlly

        No, the government own the stock. If I'm not mistaken, when the government wants to sell it, they give GM first option to buy it back. Supposedly by this time GM has profits back, and while we may have bought the stock at ::shrug:: 50 a share, they'll have to sell it back to us at market value which I guess at that time might be 100 a share.

        Meanwhile what about the dividends? Are those rebates for us?

          #2.2 - Wed Apr 21, 2010 6:21 PM EDT
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